what does that mean like you can't address someone how in a crowd of people at a convention? >> well in 2019 many universities have passed out rules on how to address different genders so you need to ask a person what gender would you like for me to call you he, her, z, zo, whatever person want to be called so x, yz what had does that mean how do you prefer to be gendered? >> i am traditional. her, she, that's okay. but i was -- others and that's -- >> traditional. okay. why? >> yeah. well i was with my gender perhaps some feel i'm traditional. but yeah this dsa, convention was all about 2019 how to address -- >> saying when i meet someone for the first time, i should say before anything, how would you like me to refer to you as? and then they will say what? >> absolutely.