libertarian, much more pro-immigration, and more pro big tech. the if you're frustrated, watchg the party ignore what its own voters want a very close look ar business and political empire. the secret history of coke industries and power in america. we just spoke with him. what here's what he said. speak of my interest is the political activity of the kochs. there is a misconception in washington that they are conservative. tell me what you discovered about their ideology. are they conservatives? >> well, you know, i think you've gotten it exactly right in the sense that they are not traditional conservatives you