under obama,er sally, mccabe, all of these people, basically tried to frame donald trump, to defrock him, to remove him from office, to prevent him from taking office. what we need now is accountability through disclosure, accountability, transparency, public reports. if there are serious crimes, like let's say a group of people got together and said even though we know carter page is innocent, we are going to lie to the fisa court so we can listen in and see if we can get stuff on the trump people. if that happened, i'm for prosecuting that. >> laura: if we were using the surveillance tools, alan, as a cudgel in a political process, they talk about russia all the time. that is what they do in russia. that's not what we are supposed to be doing. that is a police state and, if there is any police state operation going on here, someone