out the baby with the bathwater? absolutely not. people who can only focus on the negative aspects of our country and not see the positive aspects, you have to wonder about what their motives are. >> tucker: you certainly do. secretary ben carson, thanks very much. >> always a pleasure. thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so is america a racist country? is it more racist than it once was? or is a lot of this dishonest? roger kimball is the publisher of "the new criterion," just wrote a fantastic piece on that question. he joins us tonight. roger, thanks so much for coming on. >> great to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: is america more racist than it was five years ago? ten years ago? >> clearly not. it's nice to listen to secretary carson speak with what david hume called the calm sunshine of the mind. it is clearly less racist than it has ever been, just as every