eight years of the obama administration. if they are very close. >> martha: the message was not how much we love joe biden. >> i know you don't like the body lingered, but i understand -- >> martha: you're working on a campaign, you're not super excited about that moment. that's all i'm saying. that's all i'm saying after eight years of service of the vice president. >> barack obama was his vice president -- michelle obama was vice president, you have to say the same thing in that situation. >> that's right. absolutely right. >> martha: elizabeth warren brought in $19 million with no fund-raisers in q2. i know you think that's a pretty big deal, donna. >> you know why? because she has so much grassroots support and energy. over the weekend i saw several of the candidates, and i have to say, she was one that struck a chord with the audience along with kamala harris and mayor pete. so i really do believe that she is not only building a really good, strong grassroots