that circle of stars is something that is considered offensive. it's unbelievable. >> to your point, colin kaepernick is saying takes us back to a time when america had slave accessory. it's a reminder of that. so therefore, it's offensive. it's a part of our culture. it's a part of our legacy. i think that the great thing about america is, that we overcame that. >> yeah, listen, america is not perfect. the ideal of america is that perfect, that you can have -- >> charles: we always seem to be working towards the perfect union. >> yeah. towards something that much greater and better. when you go so outraged over every little thing, they want a utopian society. when is enough enough? >> colin kaepernick and his supporters have said -- >> have never seen a takeover. >> 99% of americans didn't know