actu actual demilitarization zone. it's what happens after, this trying to get north korea to a pathway to denuclearization. >> neil: don't i don't remember worry, there's a reason that no president steps into north korea because of the fear -- there's a lot of violence at the dmz zone. i'm wondering, obviously he took that risk. obviously there were plenty of soldiers on both sides. but it could have been dicey. >> could have been dicey. we have to look at the fact that diplomacy is good. we see high officials like this meeting together. i was never discrediting that. there's a lot of atmosphere surrounding this issue surrounding nuclear proliferation where the north koreans are looking to grow their nuclear material. you also have some sort of military tensions still going on.