in hanoi. no real progress. you can say that reflect differences in the countries' interests, bargaining positions, that meeting won't change any of that but i will say, eric, some folks who thought those kim empty handed on the long train ride back to hanoi lost faith, if that's the case, perhaps the president reaching out to him, inviting him to meet and actually -- this is the thing to watch for going forward, if this thing happens to see if president trump does what president moon did in dramatic moment when he stepped across dmz into north korean territory, will mr. trump do that, well, you know, maybe that doesn't change the fundamentals but that may give kim or excuse to start up again so might help jump-start negotiations, i assume that's what this is about. it's a bit of theater intended to get things moving again.