joe biden? >> i don't think so. i mean, he seems to have a strong support in the black community. i don't think that will disintegrate. he has the support of a number of major black leaders. but however, i hope lightning round that it does cause redirection to the issues of disparities that exist based on color in america. >> laura: debbie, is this kamala's time? will she rise above and beyond where biden hoped to be at this point? >> look, in politics as in life, only the strong survive. last night she was mightily strong. we have to see what goes. it was still one day. in politics, a week from now is like an eternity and you are talking about 2020. i think she has the momentum. if she can carry the momentum. biden looked weak. >> laura: you have to do more than memorize a choreographed