the use of the word "boy." we won't even get into it. what is it? is it a delay, is it strategy on his part? he skipped a couple big democratic events. we can talk about why. the point is he's going into this democratic debate without what melissa was talking about. the fight that makes it sharper. that pressure that creates a diamond. >> leslie: i disagree. >> harris: who is giving him pressure? >> leslie: i think he knows and has pressure on that debate stage. he has had a lot of experience. >> harris: and he couldn't win when he had that experience, that's the point that chris was making. >> leslie: i don't know if it's the one on one, to his points. i think he wiped the floor with paul ryan and the vice presidential debate. he saved barack obama, who did terrible in mitt romney into debates back-to-back. it'll be interesting to see how he is on the stage with all these people. to the gaffes, not only do i think the bar has changed with regard to gaffes and what people forgive, but in addition, if you