sometimes on paper would actually so negatively affect and would have negatively affected able to build that business and grow about joes that would have a huge impact. >> in fact just about about an hour from right now on this program for instance talking it a guy who appeared in the pages of the wall street journal over weekend he said, this 15-dollar minimum wage job will run me out of business and small business owner. >> start a conversation request knicks restaurant you go into and ask owner what is their biggest worry and it is the minimum wage especially ins service industry. it is not that they don't want it. it is that they have a budget in margins so small if you in there and make them pay that they hire less people they give them less hours, because they're in the business of making money and they can't do it because they're paying people above that. so if you bring the bottom up to those people they're going to want a raise and people who make rule don't know how to run a business. >> talking to him in a little bit in meantime 7:11 in new york