industry that is established lobbyist, media everything that's in the washington bubble. >>yi right, right, including i'l say it liberal and conservative think tanks. >> let me ask you this. is this one of the reasons it is not the primary reason -- why they're all piling on donald trump, he's not one of them. they, they are entrenched they are an establishment. they may be different parties different ideology but they're the same mindset when it comes to protecting what they believe is theirs, their power. >> i think, i think trump, i thought from the very beginning whenr. i saw trump was running said this guy -- is a danger. to them to this establishment to the whole of the washington establishment of all stripes. partly because he's not an academic. he's not an intellectual. he doesn't have expertise in those areas where you define success ab tractly. from a government perspective.