>> doug: what do you think of that? >> kennedy: have you so many candidates running they have it differentiate themselves at some point. if you wait too long like steven bullock you get left behind the pell ton. so you really have a clump of candidates who are double digits behind biden and they have to do something and unfortunately joe biden gave them an entree for this kind of criticism that really sticks to him this is the hardest aspect of his past to explain away. he hasn't done a good job of that he has opened himself up to that and they're the ones who stepped in to try to score political points which is what do you in an election. >> doug: jesse, i think this is mostly unfair attack on joe biden. do you agree with me? >> jesse: poor joe. be nice to the frontrunner. he is so fragile. it doesn't feel confident that democrats are whispering about letting joe skate by. i think what was it 2008 obama attacked the frontrunner hillary, beat her and won the general.