energize new voters the way a mayor pete would, for example. leland: to this point, the democratic base just loves talking about impeaching the president. we'll put that graphic up, showing how many of the democrats have talked about starting impeachment hearings. some have held their fire when it comes to this. so it begs the question, is it worth the price of firing up or the reward of firing up the base talking about impeachment hearings when we know from polling it doesn't exactly poll all that well with swing voters? >> well, number one, it's not polling with swing voters, but it does poll at number three or number four. it's not just democrats who are saying that impeachment hearings -- leland: okay, one congressman who's been -- [inaudible conversations] >> that's right. congressman amash, let me be very clear, congressman amash is a republican who decided to actually stand up and say the offenses are impeachable. you can't allow the -- [inaudible]