medicare say oh, terrible thing. socialism. that's a socialist policy. >> it's their money. >> no, it's not. we put money -- >> i put a lot of money to social security. it's not coming back. i'll never see it again. >> it's the young people putting, paying for those policies. i think they're less likely to see social security. >> i agree with you. >> than the seniors. >> another bad program. >> look at the gi bill. look at so many things. they're intended to mediate the excesses of capitolism which has embraced everything from child labor, slavery, monopoly -- >> this is 2019. >> dana, if you look at campuses, you won't find a single sober analysis of socialism. >> you will still find howard zen's best seller. he said capitolism is bad. i wish i can remember the name