cared about fairness or the future of your country. you would emphasize achievement over victimhood. our decadent elites don't care so they do the opposite. mcdonald is the author of the book "the diversity delusion." we are happy to have her join us tonight. heather, thanks very much for coming on. so the sat was created to prevent exactly what the new sat will ensure, which is a system where you came from matters. right? >> well, right. and i think what everybody needs to understand, tucker, is all of this is driven by the seemingly intractable racial achievement gap. everything about diversity in our culture is a surrogate for that problem. if we could close the racial achievement gap and the way to do that is by changing culture, the whole discourse about diversity would go up in a puff of smoke overnight and we would never hear