merit-based system is not the right way to do it. we have to reform the public school system so that underprivileged kids -- you have choice. >> martha: i want to give one last crack at that appear >> i grew up in brooklyn and got into some of the selective schools and i'm so pleased to hear mark say what he said. i think there is an opportunity for people who care about education, what is going on in some of these schools is wrong. we are going to hurt the rich families and they're going to leave the public schools -- i think two-thirds of the kids in new york city public schools are minority kids and they can't compete at the highest level. >> martha: bill de blasio had a $700 million program to reform the school system and it resulted in only 25% of those schools making the measure that would put them off the list.