hours in the cockpit. >> i think it's an issue that perhaps these foreign -- smaller foreign carriers don't train their crews. again, i get back to the same thing. when ethiopian has a 200 hour pilot in the copilot seat, that is a real red flag. i think we have an issue also with the operators not understanding the airplane. >> keep in mind that the lead investigator is the transport ministry of ethiopia. they are part of a developing country, of the training of their parents , and are likely to resist any suggestion that the pilots were undertrained. that yet remains to be seen, and it will evolve as this investigation does, harris. >> harris: before they go, it's something i've been wondering today -- a timeline for when we might see things flying again for southwest and american. those are the workhorses of those airlines. the 737 maxes. >> the speculation as it could be several months. i would hazard a guess that it might be a little bit sooner