criminality, think it's pretty shallow. i doubt this guys the only one who has bribed or attempted to make a direct payment, but in terms of how you want to define corruption, in terms of a process, clearly there is something other than merit at work across the board at ivy league schools. perhaps that's even what the harvard lawsuit was getting out. >> laura: we are going to get to that in the moment with the guest was denied a position at harvard because of what they described to be just, trade practices. regarding the criminality, we have tax fraud. bank fraud. we have people making charitable contributions, getting write-offs for charities that didn't exist relates to charity, it existed pass-through. we don't have to debate the legal issues here. this goes right to the heart of this question that a lot of parents today are asking.