first of all, did the russians interfere? yes, they did. second of all and most of importantly. did that interference actually affect the outcome of the. >> i recollection. f -- the outcome of the election. arthel: i don't want to relitigate why hillary lost. i wanted to throw that fact in there because you made a broad statement that didn't include that. there is a debate going on over the trump children. specifically ivanka and don, jr. if the dragnet sweeps them into the investigation, that they should be off limit. >> they shouldn't be off limits to the extent they are federal employees. but the democrats will have to tread carefully. you start going after family members and it starts to look