>> tucker: okay. for the people involved it is by definition a humanitarian crisis. if theyy are leaving their faild countries trying to get here. i get it, i sympathize with them from day one, i still sympathize grth them. so we agree on that but for american citizens, when you have 22 million people living here illegally, that's more than 16 states combined in population, that's a crisis for us. that's what you denied and i doubt you will admit it now. >> another estimate says, and disses just depends on which number you want to use. 11 million undocumented people. >> tucker: only 11 million -- so only larger than new york city. it.t so here's my question to you, how many would constitute a crisis? how many peopleal do we have to let live illegally in our country before we say, you know what, we have to start deporting people? what's the number? give me a sense, ball park. >> i think there is a crisis. that's not what we are debating. there is a humanitarian crisis