it was already discussed ad nauseam in the committee when i testified therefore $30,000 in the senate. >> martha: you are say it cost $30,000 to represent yourself? >> you can't go in without an attorney. you can't go in with your cousin who was an attorney. you have to go in with a hard-core, like dennis. you have to go in with somebody who knows what they are doing or they will get you in a perjury trap. i testified three times, once with mueller and that is over the space of two years. >> martha: how long have they been done with you? >> i haven't spoken to anyone since the summer of last year. they want to catch me a perjury trap like every single one of those people on that 80% list. >> martha: you say there are three others at least were talking about doing what you are doing. thank you very much and good to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up next, geraldo rivera, he says people