democrats spent time and effort to bolster the mueller investigation. they praised mueller, his career, his credentials, his integrity. they made a lot of bets on this being -- that they would find -- this is the smoking gun. and now perhaps it's going to be a dry hole, particularly with collusion with russia, what is the justification for going down all of these 0 her rabbit holes? >> the justification is that michael cohen has revealed to us through his sbny investigation, which is not the mueller probe, that the president was working on a trump tower moscow project with which he needed the permission and help and active involvement of the president of russia. he was doing that during the campaign, lying about it to the american people, continued to lie about it and that vladimir putin knew he was lying to us about it. so if he committed financial crimes as a businessman involving russian money, that