nancy pelosi says the house ways and means committee is working with the irs to get the returns. she says, quote: every day the american people and congress learn more about president trump's improprieties from if conflicts of interest to influence peddling, potential tax evasion and violations of the constitution. we will take all necessary steps, including litigation if necessary, to obtain them. republican congressman andy biggs firing right back. >> they've been clam or moring for his tax -- clamoring for his tax returns since the campaign, and now they're going to expand the scope to include his family members. basically going all the way back to, i'm sure, what his grades looked like in elementary school. that's -- this is just harassment, naked harassment, that's what this is. arthel: joining me now is beverly hall burg, president for district media group, and joel rubin, former deputy assistant secretary under president obama.