i'm not speaking downstairs because i can't comment on that, but i can speak generally. this will surprise you. we know there is no evidence of collusion. the steele dossier was a piece of political garbage. if anyone believes in that now they've lost their minds. there is no evidence of obstruction. apparently mr. cohen thought that has boss was a racist con man, and yet he was comfortable working for him. and continued to work for him. that's kind of the thing that we are learning in the last few weeks. >> harris: democrat senator dianne feinstein was asked about whether or not she was watching the public hearing yesterday. she said there was a credibility problem. and that she had other things to do. a credibility problem. is there a change in terms of how people are seeing his great ability? he's a criminal lawyer. we do know that. he's going to prison on may 5th. >> there has to be. he's being convicted of not just lying to congress but other criminal activity. when it comes back to testify, you have to wonder why. what's his motive, what is he trying to do? redeem himself?