doesn't want to do it. to me this is a story that our system, the constitution and years of the united states government has set up actually is working here to make sure if trump asks a question, the answer isn't always, yes, sir. it's, well, in this case, that would not be appropriate. >> dana: new york times says that they reached out to the white house and the white house never responded, declined to comment, and then the president said the story is fake news so i guess we'll find out more about that. that's also a pattern we've seen. the president also talking about the national emergency and the border. and so in your book "alienated america" why some places traoeufrb while others collapse. you got out of twitter universe. you got out of cable news. you traveled around the country. what do you think people that are stuck in twitter verse are missing about what people think about immigration? >> so, immigration is a national issue. right? it's going to come up. federal laws are passed about it. but its impact is on a very local level. so it's very interesting. in elite circles, immigration is an abstract question. but on the local level, it