has youthful charisma on his side. you say democrats succeeded only in electing candidates 53 years old or younger. that youth is what wins on the democratic side to. >> robert: to date since 1960 between jfk and clinton and carter and obama, we like hope and change and we like young, we like aspirational. i think this time around because president trump is in the white house, there is absolutely going to be a debate experience is important. i think vice president biden will say, hey, experience matters. look at what is happening today. we just don't know. >> martha: what is your dream dam ticket before you go? >> robert: you don't have to say president or vice president but took a people. >> robert: i don't want to go there yet. >> martha: come on. >> robert: someone with site biden, common, you know, a bunch of outsiders coming in. >> martha: no elizabeth warren? is she done? >> robert: i don't think she