was massively unpopular in 2009, i suspect when people dig into the details, this is a draft but it is almost like a well card to the climate. it is not real policy. when we get to that real policy it will be tough. >> i want to be fair because i mentioned some of the critics. rob jackson is chairman of the global carbon project and he makes the case in part by saying it makes sense because we are currently paying the cost of climate change today, we suffer $306 billion in damages from hurricanes, fires and other disasters in 2017, the last year data is available. but how do you answer that? >> making the assumption the hurricane was caused by carbon in the environment. i don't know -- look.