or putting on robes on ku kluz klan, that's not a defense that one would want to advance. leland: you put these things together, northam used racism to beat up on ed gallespie but also go after president trump as a number of democrats also have. is this a watershed moment when all of a sudden you have a democratic governor that was elected and your own opposition research, own campaign, et cetera, never uncovered this photograph, is it time to stop and pause before accusing people of racism without really concrete proof? >> no, i actually think, you know, obviously we have to be thoughtful about this but there are certain images that disqualify an individual and i think unfortunately in this case governor northam has crossed the line. i do think we have to be careful to make sure that when thinking about this, when applying the standard that says we will not