>> brian: with the president just tweeted, if you're not going to talk about some border wall or fence or barrier -- right, there is no reason to have the talks, he is saying. was very interesting, i couldn't get senator casey the democrat from pennsylvania to agree to anything but a fence. steel slats are there already. if the president degrees, the experts told him don't use the israeli model, use the model that we have now, the president is convinced of that, would you do it? he said, "i only agree to a fence." what the difference? the experts are telling you steel slats. the president isn't getting his concrete wall. there is the gift. he's afraid of his own leadership, or he's unable to think outside the fence. >> harris: or give him another option. it could be what he's hearing at home from constituents. that's what melissa has been talking about, with semantics. >> brian: with the president wants. >> melissa: why don't they just put in language with a limit with the barrier could be? if democrats say it can't be cement, it cannot be this, and