the two of you are just rabid environmentalists? >> well, not exactly. we are conservative republican. but, you know, our duty to our rate pairs is to provide them with the lowest possible utility cost. >> and money talks. steve: well, al, you are absolutely right. money talks to the tune of nearly $30 million a year which is what the city of georgetown lost when they realized they could not rely on wind for power. that's more than $1,200 per household over four years. chuck devore is vice president of public policy foundation joins us now from austin. the idea was oh we got a lot of sun here, we have a little wind. we will be completely sustainable. but then, suddenly energy got cheap in this country and now the people of georgetown, texas are on the hook and they have to pay a lot more than everybody else in texas. >> that's right. steve, let's look at two things.