to try and have something that passes for thoughtful discourse is because it gets passed around. there are people out there in the middle who are willing in this case, for instance, to say maybe charles koch isn't theth person that i've heard he was. or maybe tucker carlson -- i'm going to get killed tonight. >> tucker: he is. he's definitely the man you thinkma he is. [laughter] >> i don't mind. to me, it's not a problem because i'm a public figure running a public charity. i can take a public platform and turn this kind of nonsense into what might be a thoughtful back-and-forth that might in fact change someone's mind. let's face it. it's also great publicity. it's hard to give away half a million dollars to the lens of work ethic. mikeroweworks.com right now if you want to apply for a work ethic scholarship. i am reduced to shameless plugs