that the company is the property of, the rightful rulers, the rightful leaders, then indeed that money will be available to guaido. we will be working with them on the money in the blocked account and whether that can be used for them. >> could you explain to the country what strategic interests in the united states in venezuela now and the immediate future? what is at stake for us and why this significant response in abeyance of this transfer of government is achieved? >> we think stability and democracy in venezuela are in the direct national interests of the united states right now. under the chavez maduro government, civil society in venezuela is disintegrating. the economy is in the state of collapse. something in the range of three million to four million refugees have fled the country for neighboring countries and the united states. authoritarian regime of chavez