legally and said, gee, we're in the united states of america -- john: sounds like you've got a lot to talk about. >> we do. these are not new issues, is the other point, john. john: no, of course. >> these are issues that members of congress don't know a lot about. there's nothing we're going to learn, frankly, in the next three weeks we don't know now. so let's get started, let's find solutions. let's not continue to disappoint the people we work for by not showing the ability to work together. john: and ronald reagan learned in the 1980s the dangers of cutting a deal on -- >> in 2013 we passed major immigration reform, bipartisan bill, which took everything. it was a 40 list ec approach. it was security. $44 billion for security. it was a pathway forward. it was a queue number that you basically got in the back of the line. we did everything possible to look at the whole immigration problem. on top of that, nobody -- if they went through ten years of doing everything they were