hillary clinton. and while that doesn't show collusion, there's still other pieces of the circuit that the prosecutor would have to connect in order to have a conspiracy charge or a collusion or, you know, a conspiracy with regard to trump himself. it certainly brings it through the door right into the middle of the campaign that they were doing something that, at best, is unethical and clearly lying about it to congress, criminal. kristin: stone says the evidence against him in this indictment is "thin." what do you make of that? >> no, no, there is very, very specific here, kristin, multiple statements, e-mail communications, text messages. it is very clear that when he testified to congress, he lied to congress. and the special counsel did an excellent job at outlining the various electronic data that they currently have, and, of course, we're probably going to even get more and cleary demonstrates there were palpable, false and material lies made to congress and to investigators: i think it's a sound case in terms of obstruction of justice and