find out exactly what they have and when they will put it out, but the important thing is he's not involved enough or entangled enough with wikileaks itself, he's not informed enough about their operations, to be in a conspiracy with them and much less are the people in the trump campaign who are dealing with stone aware of what wikileaks is doing. and the reason for laying that out in that somewhat laborious way, is this is a very long way from where we started, which was the allegation that the trump campaign is in an espionage conspiracy with russia. it turns out that the trump campaign, in addition to apparently not having any involvement with russia's hacking activities, has no awareness of what wikileaks is doing and that is important because the way -- neil: i just want to get a handle on, the allegations that have been brought up, when we talk about collusion with the