he hasn't figured out a way to talk to 800,000 government workers not being paid as well as the american people. brian: we could have had a similar segment 10 days ago. it becomes clear no effort to reopen and talk about anything but the border wall barrier. >> that's not true. democrats have said over and over again what we won't do is hold the government hostage. we have the debate on immigration. brian: what nancy pelosi keeps saying, david, no money for a wall. she does not -- is not pressed on barriers, steel slats, but the president's moved on that. if she says i will put the wall on the table, reopen the government until february 8th. wouldn't that move the ball forward, david? >> well, i think she is reluctant to give away something that's political base symbolism vs. national security solution. look at what john kelly said about the wall. look what lindsey graham said about the wall a year and a half ago. what the democrats have to do though to your point, brian, they have to do more