i think democrats have a problem here. they really do. because i really -- i mean when you have the editorial board of the washington post coming out saying make a deal, save the dreamers. i mean, really. it's -- because it's absurd. because it's absurd for them to reject something. when you say we're not going to sign on to this when you haven't even heard it yet, you're transparent as to the fact that you're being an obstructionist and this is totally palatable. >> when an npr-pbs poll comes out saying that a latino support of the president has gone up 19 points to 50%. democrats may want to look at this numbers and realize they're not helping the daca folks. people are not dumb and may realize that walls are effective. >> they're not helping themselves. those voters that supported them supported them because they wanted protection of the daca recipients. now you're going to have the