york. i guess my big question is in the zero sum game known as healthcare who wins and who loses under these democratic proposals? >> healthcare is not a zero sum game. government is a zero sum game. so in order to for the government to provide healthcare to paul it, has to rob peter. here's the thing. when states have to pay for this themselves instead of spending federal government money, and running um the national debt. what we find is they don't want to pay for single pair healthcare themselves. they don't want to pay for proposals like de blasio's or nusm's because it's just so expensive. when vermont card single pair program even though it would have paid with largely federal money. they didn't want to pay the state's share of that enormous bill because it was 10% payroll tax increase. the people of colorado rejected a similar proposal because, you would have had a similar tax increase. people just don't want to pay for. rachel: michael, when i look at this, the famil the emphasiso