point. now it's a political argument, not an emotional argument. >> it's about saving lives, that's not political, that's life and death. that's what the emergency is about. a >> this is fascinating. geraldo, you are making a political point, too. you are sitting here talking about all the positive components of immigration, and when sean brings up one of the unbelievably -- not even negative but tragic components of illegal immigration, theli death of american citizens through crime by people who had no right to be here at all, all of a sudden it's a political point? >> you know as well as i know that these people commit fewer crimes than citizens commit. they make things safer and not more dangerous according to the statistics. >> they shouldn't be here. >> stop -- >> tell nancy and