an argument about symbolism and about rhetoric in many ways. we are not going to have a concrete wall from sea to shining see. at the same time, we are not going to have purely open borders. i think the president has been fairly pragmatic and became more so over the weekend when he said fine, don't call it a wall. if that's the hangup. what he wants israel border security, which we have to have ticket to legal immigration. >> shannon: steel/? >> steel slots, barrier, fence, whatever you want to call it. he went there in a pragmatic way over the weekend and now we have many democrats who have voted for the secure senses acting 2,000,006, including senator senator schumer and clinton and obama back then, so if we voted for it then, if there, we are supporting it, we are maintaining it. we want a few hundred more miles of it. there is a crisis on the border. let's cut a deal, let's get there, the american people want