and buy real estate and spend money. >> all the european countries who have this program in addition to a high flat tax, have sales tax with the value added tax at least twice like even a state like new york charges. >> and you avoid it by the shelters. >> i'm surprised she's not talking about the capital gain rate how the very tippy top-- >> i would think they'd find a way to avoid it. >> the tippy top are never going to pay the rates. warren buffett was famous for saying he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary and that's exactly it. neil: carl icahn his my special guest on fbn. more after this.