60s where almost no one went to prison where. they tried probation, super probation, super-super probation, anything to get people out of prison. and crime increased 20% in a two-year period, the peak being '79 and '80. drug abuse was rampant. we had a lot of difficult problems during that period of time because of the undeserved leniency taking place. if we're changing sentencing, it ought to be done very carefully and in a very deliberate manner with careful evaluation of what happens. now probably there are some laws that should be changed. that's why we have a sentencing commission at federal level. that's why states are handling this. but where there's this mass opening of the prison gates such as california. we've seen serious increases in crime. mark: and i've never understood this argument, some of these