make a cohort. >> i know quite a bit about the knights of columbus and their charity work. in liberal politics everything comes down to abortion. my personal opinion on this, and you tell me if this is true or not, one of the biggest charity projects that the knights of columbus does is they raise money for ultrasound machines to put in pregnancy centers. and as we know most people who see an ultrasound end up not having an abortion. i think this is what irks them. do you think this is about your pro-life position not so much about the male membership of the knights of columbus? >> well, i can't dredge what they think. i wouldn't be surprised. and one of the things they wer trying to do is show to them with our open letter, inviting them to our charity events is come see what we do. we may have positions you don't like. but there's nothing wrong with that. there's areas where we can work together. there's nothing extreme. >> have you heard back from them? >> not yet. we've sent electronically the