brothers, we worked construction with him when we moved to las vegas. when i was 16, you know, he ended up going broke in '81. and all of a sudden we're going to move to the land of milk and honey, vegas. we had a little business where he bought and sold gold coins, he opened one up in vegas. i kept on working with him my whole life. mark: and you two got along, didn't you? >> we always got along. the joke i'd always tell is the greatest thing about my business is working with my pham family and the worst thing about business is working with my family. he was my best friend my entire adult life. mark: and you get into this pawn business. did you know anything about the pawn business? >> i knew about buying gold and silver, and knew the basics. there was this old pawn broker in town they met that helped me figure out the book work and