hillary clinton in 2014 where their approval ratings rise, but as they start to dip their toe back in, the rub starts to show. joe biden on the presidential stage has melted every single time he's been at the top of the ticket. when was the last time he ran a credible and long competitive campaign? it was before i was born, in 1988. so i think some democrats think -- >> dana: you're so young. >> they're going to nominate somebody who has a track record from the '70s, last ran their most competitive campaign in the late '80s? i think they deserve to lose in a very convincing way. >> dana: apparently he was going to talk to his family over the holidays so maybe we'll know more in january. bloomberg news did something i thought was fun. i know a ton about sports. i do know march madness happens in march. i know it has to do with basketball. what bloomberg news did, they