at the same time, wouldn't you agree, though, that certainly the customs and border patrol is swamped and that i.c.e. is swamped? we've got -- they are releasing hundreds right now in el paso but we aresw dealing with thousands of people who clearly, they are releasing them based on the family separation act, that they just -- they are just overwhelmed at this point, regardless of -- >> yes. you are absolutely right, tammy.d you talk to any agents who work the border area, and that isis exactly the kind of word that they would use, that they aree overwhelmed. one other point that is interesting, it's not at all clear that all of these who are released in el paso were asylum-seekers. some of them may simply have been illegal immigrants. that points to catch and release taking place. that, of course, is something that president trump says does not happen anymore. >> tammy: more work to do. great, thank you, jonathan. thank you for that report. kris kobach is the kansas secretary of state. he joins us now. kris, you are a man, youu have been working on this for quite