interview, shows he is diving into this. he is not just accepting what was submitted to him by the parties. he wants to see the evidence for himself. which is a good thing, i think. it shows this is a very thoughtful, responsible judge who takes this sentencing role seriously. my guess today flynn has a chance of getting out of this with no time required to serve in jail. >> sandra: michael mukasey was on earlier saying there is not a lot of black and white in this case. >> i will agree with that. there is a lot of nuance in a lot of things nowadays. >> sandra: that will happen a short time from now. thank you for being here and setting it up for us. much more on the sentencing of michael flynn coming up in the next hour. we have white house press secretary sarah sanders as well as harvard law professor emeritus alan dershowitz. they'll both be joining us as we await the sentencing. >> bill: the actor who made the