there are a few on the right to do that but it really is a left-wing phenomenon. they preferred to impugn the motives. argue the people would like a warm moderate pace of immigration or the laws in force, they say they are motivated by racial animus in order to suppress debate. it's very important but it is what's happening. >> tucker: how do you get closer to the solution if you can't have an honest conversation about it? >> that's a fair point. my organization, we basically crunch the numbers. we mostly provide data and we just provide basic information.c i think that's the best way to go. b >> tucker: i think it is, too. and by the way, i have no idea what your politics are. you could be a hillary voter. i don't care. thank you. we talked a lot up on the show about the threat to free speech. it turns out it's very real. last week we interviewed a man named honaro lopez.