guilty-- i said from day one, that he could win this case. why did he plead guilty? they threatened his son, and took away his stuff. and 90% of people because of the pressures to plead guilty-- >> but not at the time of the lies in january of 201. -- 2017. >> there are two points. neil: the reason i want to raise the distinction, in making the comments and responding to them, the mueller team the court should reject the attempts to minimize those to the fbi and flynn knew saying that the russian ambassador at the time was being recorded, so why the big fuss in the first place. i guess what i'm asking you, is how does this advance team flynn's ball here. i mean, what happens now? >> well, it doesn't advance flynn. i think in the end, flynn did what he did. there are two issues, did he lie